Dr Koontz and Rev Fisk follow up Koontz's Called to Defend presentation with discussions on the topic of living in a dying empire. They discuss the importance of gaining competence, and of not overestimating your government's competence, in the frame of America's failing military power as evidenced by its defeat at the hands of the Taliban.

Dr Koontz - Agrarian, Egghead -  Concordia Theological Seminary Fort Wayne
Rev Fisk - Author, Fanatic - St Paul Rockford
Find out more about Mad Christianity at www.revfisk.com
Music thanks to Verny


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